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Jon Irenicus
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| "Support your local hookers" is their slogan. |
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| Posted: 26.04.2006 09:23 Post subject: Re: Fanclub for RBK supporters abroad |
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| haavarl wrote: | | Gerrit wrote: | | It'd be handy to have a fanclub aimed at the foreign fans as well, or even just a subdivision of Kjernen (or any established fanclub) |
As I understand it, many of the leading persons in Kjernen rather fiercely supports the idea that one should support one's local team. Meaning, especially, that Norwegians that support foreign teams - English, most of all - are a sorry lot. And, that to be a true Rosenborg supporter, you should live in or at least be raised in the district of Trøndelag and speak the local dialect.
This goes the other way around as well: If you live in another country, you should support a team from around where you live, instead of bothering with Rosenborg.
In the light of such opinions, I think it would be a guaranteed failure to mention this idea to the board of Kjernen. |
In the light of such opinions, maybe it would be a good idea if Kjernen had a thorough review of their values. The idea that you can only support a team if you have an ethnic connection to the area smacks ever so slightly of racism to me. Rosenborg, Blut und Boden anyone?
In my opinion, having fans abroad should be seen as the highest of compliments...
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haavarl
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| Posted: 26.04.2006 11:30 Post subject: Re: Fanclub for RBK supporters abroad |
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| arnt wrote: | | In the light of such opinions, maybe it would be a good idea if Kjernen had a thorough review of their values. |
Sure, go ahead and suggest it. If you're in for a heavy, bitter discussion ...
| Quote: | | The idea that you can only support a team if you have an ethnic connection to the area smacks ever so slightly of racism to me. Rosenborg, Blut und Boden anyone? |
What has triggered it, I think, is the huge number of Norwegians that follows English football. The huge number of Norwegian men who has a favourite English football team that they value higher than a Norwegian club.
And the number of Norwegians that show up on Lerkendal cheering for the visiting club in Champions League matches.
The idea is: football is about belonging. You should follow the club from the place you belong to. Live in Trondheim and Trøndelag, support the local stuff. The local beer, the local club, whatever.
As Krøvel said, support your local hookers.
I think there's a very minor fraction that feels this way, ie, has strong feelings upon following teams not local to you, but this fraction pulls a lot of weight ... |
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| Posted: 26.04.2006 13:35 Post subject: |
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I'm a member of Kjernen, and I do not feel this way. I can't do anything but agree with Arnt:
| Quote: | | In my opinion, having fans abroad should be seen as the highest of compliments... |
Then again, despite of a long line of relatives from my father's side of the lineage, I don't speak "trøndersk", due to growing up in the western parts of Norway.
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arnt
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| Posted: 26.04.2006 14:49 Post subject: Re: Fanclub for RBK supporters abroad |
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I'm not a member of Kjernen, so I wouldn't be the right person for raising such a question to their board. I have to say though, that this has given me a slight pause, because I've been thinking about joining up.
I don't completely disagree either. Supporting a football team is about belonging, in my opinion as well. That is after all why I am a Rosenborg fan.
But that shouldn't mean that you absolutely must have a personal connection to a club's local area in order to support it.
If it was so, then what would be next? Proof of citizenship required for membership? Only domestic players allowed to play in a country's national league? Arsenal would be in trouble, then... and so would Rosenborg.
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haavarl
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| Posted: 26.04.2006 15:00 Post subject: |
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| tbone wrote: | | I'm a member of Kjernen, and I do not feel this way. |
No, as I said, I think "they" are few. But among them are people that once created Kjernen back in '97, and their words count for much still.
A basic problem is of course that very, very few newcomers seems to be willing to take responsibility in Kjernen, to be elected to the board, or to do anything except from seeing the games. Then it's hard for new ideas to gain foothold too. |
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Thanks for the suggestions, 2mas. I will contact rosenborg.de and the club board member you passed the emailaddress of.
As for the "support the local team". I think it's the biggest bullcrap existing in football. Football is no war of one city versus another. It's a game, nothing more than a game. Support whatever team is in your heart, regardless if they play 1 km or 10000 km from your front door. If one has to feel guilty for supporting a football team, what's the point in following football then instead of searching a different hobby? Football is a hobby to me, and I don't want to waste time on analysing if I should not change the team I support because of so called 'local bounds'...
By the way, since when are clubs belonging to a locality? Arsenal have not even one Londoner in their team, Barcelona and Milan recruit players and fans from all over the world, Man United is aiming for the American market now to recruit more fans, Liverpool has more Spanish players than Liverpool-born players, ...
The time that a club represented an area has long gone (apart from a very select nr of exceptions, all I can think of however is Athletic Bilbao). Clubs want to make money, no matter what fans bring in the money. I'm sure that as long as they pay a membership fee, Real Madrid or Barcelona will not reject any 'socio' even if he is based in Tokyo or Harare.
Why should I feel bad about supporting Rosenborg, while the local teams are not causing any emotions to me? It doesn't make sense really. It'd be pretending to support a team I have no emotional bond with, and what for? If the local team doesn't appeal to you, why not search anywhere else? I mean, maybe a stupid comparison, but if the woman of your dreams lives in Australia, why should you ignore her and pick a random girl in your own town?
Plus, as a traveller I don't consider myself to have a permanent home. So if I follow the "always support the local team" policy I would not even be allowed to support a team, or have to constantly change team...
FFS, just follow the heart and support whoever you like! It's only a game, it's not like your betraying your home country in a war... I even don't support my native country's national team (Belgium, while I support Norway) and some Belgians called me a "betrayer of the country". Such a big and stupid words for someone who just supports a different team in a simple game... It's almost like they think Belgium is in a war with the Vikings again 
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Heh well, I don't think it's a bad thing to support your local team. That is after all why I support Rosenborg. But that should never mean you must support the local team.
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 14:37 Post subject: |
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| tbone wrote: | Green Apes, why is you spend so much of your time in this Rosenborg-forum? It's obvious our club is not to your liking. Wouldn't it be better to spend your energy supporting your own team instead of coming in here talking trash?
Listen, it's been almost two years now I believe. We are done with and over the matches against Maccabi Haifa. In Rosenborg we're trying to look forward these days, and to quote our legendary coach Nils Arne Eggen: The most important matches are the ones not played yet.
I wish your team good luck in the Isreali league, and if you are good enough and deserve it, I'm sure you'll make it to the Champions League.
Now, please let bygones be bygones and move on. |
I'm here because I want to learn more about Rosenborg and the league in Norway and just to let you know without that game between RBK and MHAIFA I would have no heard about Rosenborg.
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 14:39 Post subject: |
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| Then you haven't seen a lot of CL? |
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 14:50 Post subject: |
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| attach wrote: | | Then you haven't seen a lot of CL? |
No why do you think Israel should care about a team like RBK and broadcast it on TV? they put only the 2 big games of that day and the next day.
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 14:52 Post subject: |
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| Ok, but what about groups, fixtures, tables, results and so on? Haven't read a thing the last 10-15 years? |
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 14:54 Post subject: |
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| Well... We have beaten Milan out of Champions League and advanced to the quarter final. You Israely people really don't know much about football. |
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| attach wrote: | | Ok, but what about groups, fixtures, tables, results and so on? Haven't read a thing the last 10-15 years? |
Unless we're there I don't care about stupid groups I only watch them when they are on.
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 14:57 Post subject: |
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| erlendmf wrote: | | Well... We have beaten Milan out of Champions League and advanced to the quarter final. You Israely people really don't know much about football. |
And we have beaten Olimpiakos and Man. UTD so? Rosenborg is a good team if they qualify every year to the CL but still they never broadcast their games.
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haavarl
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 15:20 Post subject: |
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| Gerrit wrote: | | Support whatever team is in your heart, regardless if they play 1 km or 10000 km from your front door. |
Sure, and that is by far the most normal point of view. Probably even in Kjernen. Just not among the old school supporters there.
| Quote: | | Why should I feel bad about supporting Rosenborg, while the local teams are not causing any emotions to me? |
You shouldn't. |
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 15:22 Post subject: |
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| Green Apes wrote: | | And we have beaten Olimpiakos and Man. UTD so? Rosenborg is a good team if they qualify every year to the CL but still they never broadcast their games. |
Beaten Man U in a non important group stage match, when they already were qualified to the cup stages. Wow.. Rosenborg beat Milan in a quite important match. The winner would go to the quarter finals. Hum... And we have beaten Olympiakos too, and Real Madrid. And you say SO? uhm.. You just said you didn't see Rosenborg matches because they werent important enough. You got two oppinions from what I can see. Deside, please! |
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 15:25 Post subject: |
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| No need to brag, it's been many years since we were any good in CL now. |
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 15:26 Post subject: |
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| Thats not what we discuss. |
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| No, but he can have followed CL for many years without observing a good RBK team. Milan and Real Madrid ... ancient history. |
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It was an important match because they wanted to take first place and they lost to us, and I didn't see your team that good in CL this year so please. Maccabi Haifa qualified only ONCE to the CL and beat them and how many times have Rosenborg been there?
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| Posted: 02.05.2006 21:45 Post subject: |
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| So you agree Rosenborg is the better team of Rosenborg and Maccabi Haifa? |
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| Posted: 03.05.2006 09:58 Post subject: |
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What's with all the dickwaving? Come on people, we all know the difference between Rosenborg and Maccabi Haifa. We don't need to brag, we don't need to get all riled up, just because this Green Monkey is fishing for a reaction.
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Jon Irenicus
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| I am not so certain RBK are better at this moment. |
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