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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 22.10.2007 19:44 Post subject: European Cups 2008/09 |
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Rosenborg have four possibilities of playing European cup next season:
1. Finishing 5th in the league, going to the Intertoto Cup.
2. Norway winning one of the three Fair Play spots in the UEFA Cup. Rosenborg getting the place as most fair, but not qualified for the Euro cups as Viking (2005), Brann (2006) and Lillestrøm (2007) the last seasons.
3. Winning the Champions League.
4. Finishing 3rd in the UCL group stage, going to the UEFA Cup and winning it. |
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Skotten Rutinert

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Posted: 22.10.2007 21:33 Post subject: |
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Gerrit Rutinert
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Posted: 24.10.2007 03:05 Post subject: |
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I think option 1 is most realistic and should be a first aim. With the nr of Intertoto winners increased to 6, we would have a realistic chance to win the Intertoto and make the proper UEFA Cup. I think we have to assure a 5th position so that we are in Europe next season.
Of course, once we have 5th place, we can always try and win the CL But let's first grab that 5th place. _________________ Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!
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Engelsk Proff

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Gerrit Rutinert
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Posted: 05.11.2007 17:22 Post subject: |
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That Intertoto spot should be a certainty or at least 90% certain. I cannot see Lillestrøm lose to a second divisionist. You never know of course, but I think we're 90% sure to play intertoto, and we have a good chance of going to the actual UEFA Cup then. If you see that during the last seasons teams from Kazakhstan and Cyprus qualified through Intertoto, then I don't see a reason why Rosenborg would not be able to win the Intertoto. _________________ Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 05.11.2007 18:18 Post subject: |
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It is the country ranking of 30/06/2007 which counts in the Intertoto Cup draw in April. Norway (i.e. Rosenborg) as number 18 will not be seeded in the 3rd round draw. This means we can meet some big shots, but there are just a few among the 11 possible opponents.
Intertoto Cup 2008
1st round: 21/22 and 28/29 June
2nd round: 5/6 and 12/13 July
3rd round: 19/20 and 26/27 July |
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Christian Senior
Joined: 30 May 2005 Posts: 152 Location: Gelsenkirchen (Schalke) - TYSKLAND
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Posted: 05.11.2007 18:48 Post subject: |
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Though it would be fun to win the Champions League, I´d rather like RBK to beat Bayern München in the UEFA-Cup-final.
The UI-Cup is not a way to the UEFA-cup that is very easy, too.
Of course, a lot of people thinking of winning the UI-Cup, but here we can meet hard opponents like Borussia Dortmund (I know we have beaten them), Bayer Leverkusen (Germany) or Tottenham, Newcastle or ManCity (England). I also know that the seasons in middle-europe even haven´t reached their half-time, but there a lot of good teams who won´t get a spot in CL or UEFA-Cup next year. Just think of the good teams that won the UI-Cup this year.
The best and easiest way would be a fair-play-spot, but that depends on a lucky hand... _________________ Hilsen fra Tyskland |
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 05.11.2007 18:55 Post subject: |
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I am trying to get an answer on whether we have to choice between Intertoto and the fair play draw.
The Intertoto Cup draw was in early April this year, while the Fair play draw was in early May (before the UEFA Cup final). I fear we are sticked to the Intertoto if Norway wins one of the two fair play spot in the draw.
Even if Norway wins the fair play contest, this dilemma occur; the contest finishes 30 April. |
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Skotten Rutinert

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Posted: 05.11.2007 21:56 Post subject: |
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Intertoto should be interesting. (That's if we don't win the UEFA Cup. ) |
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Troilonge Veteran
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Posted: 06.11.2007 00:06 Post subject: |
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We can win the Intertotocup as well. Our first Europeen Cup tropfè. We must get far then. The latest winner, Newcastle, won the Intertoto cup after reaching the last 8 in the UEFA-cup 2006-07. |
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Gerrit Rutinert
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Posted: 07.11.2007 18:03 Post subject: |
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Reaching the proper UEFA Cup would be good enough to start with This year a club from Kazakhstan was amongst the teams qualifying for the UEFA Cup, so if they can do it we definitely can! _________________ Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!
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Christian Senior
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Posted: 08.11.2007 16:58 Post subject: |
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Skotten wrote: | (That's if we don't win the UEFA Cup. ) |
Why not the CL after beating Valencia away?
Does not matter; Madrid in the CL-final or Bayern in the UEFA-cup...
But to be honest: RBK is a good team, but it is hard, if we get a top-team from Germany, Spain, England - something that is absolutely possible!
Perhaps we meet Schalke again in the UI-cup...  _________________ Hilsen fra Tyskland |
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Gerrit Rutinert
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Posted: 11.11.2007 21:45 Post subject: |
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OK, Lillestrøm did their duty and won the Norsk Cup. This means our 5th place in the league is enough for Intertoto football. I think Rosenborg must show its ambition now, we can win the Intertoto and qualify for the UEFA Cup proper. Damn right we can, even though we won't be seeded in the final round, we're obliged to our status to win the Intertoto and go to the UEFA Cup proper.
2mas, have you heard anything yet confirming that Rosenborg will participate in the Intertoto? I hope we will, if the intertoto is our only chance to play in Europe next season, then I think it would be a bit silly not to play and try to win the Intertoto. _________________ Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 11.11.2007 21:54 Post subject: |
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It is confirmed.
The Norwegian Football Federation (NFF) want Tromsø to take the place if Rosenborg get a "Fair play" spot in the UEFA Cup. |
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Skotten Rutinert

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Posted: 11.11.2007 22:47 Post subject: |
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Good news, would have been a bit of a fairytale of Haugesund won the cup though. |
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Gerrit Rutinert
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Posted: 11.11.2007 22:51 Post subject: |
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Yes, in normal circumstances I'd root for the underdog and want Haugesund to win. But this time it was different, our European campaign depended on Lillestrøm winning the Cup so let's be thankful they did. Now we at least have European games to look forward to next season, with the Intertoto played in the middle of the season in Norway things look good for us to win the Intertoto and go to the UEFA Cup.
Let's hope though that we get the fairplay ticket, then we don't even have to depend on a good draw in the Intertoto. _________________ Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 23.11.2007 11:34 Post subject: |
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Yesterday, it was finally confirmed that we won the Norwegian fair play contest.
Now we just have to wait until 30 April, hoping Brann and other than mess with Norway's ranking.
The rules:
The fair play conduct is assessed by the appointed UEFA match delegate. Following the game he has to complete a Fair Play assessement form in consultation with the referee and the referee observer.
On the assessement form are six criteria:
1. Red and yellow cards: max 10 points
Deduction from a maximum of 10 points: yellow card = 1 point, red card = 3 points. Two times yellow equals red, but yellow + direct red = 4 points deduction. The total of this aspect may become negative.
2. Positive play: minimum 1 point, maximum 10 points
Positive aspects: attacking tactics, acceleration of the game, efforts to gain time, and continued pursuit of goals. Negative aspects: deceleration of the game, time-wasting, tactics based on foul-play, play-acting, etc. In general terms positive play correlates with the numer of goal-scoring chances created and the number of goals scored.
3. Respect of the opponent: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points
Assessement should be based on positive attitudes (e.g. helping an injured opponent) rather than infringements. Double counting against the item "red and yellow cards" should be avoided. Blameless behaviour, but without any particularly positive attitude, should be assessed with a mark 4 rather than 5.
4. Respect of the referee: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points
A positive attitude towards the referee (and assistant referees), including the acceptance of doubtful decisions without protest, should be rewarded. Double counting against the item "red and yellow cards" should be avoided. Normal behaviour, but without any particularly positive attitude, should be assessed with a mark 4 rather than 5.
5. Behaviour of team officials: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points
Postive and negative aspects of the behaviour of team officials should be assessed. E.g. whether they calm or provoke angry players or fans, how they accept the referee's decisions, etc. Co-operation with the media should also be considered as a factor. Blameless behaviour, but without any particularly positive attitude, should be assessed with a mark 4 rather than 5.
6. Behaviour of the crowd: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points
Encouragement of teams by shouting, singing, etc. may have a positive influence on the atmosphere. The spectators are, however, expected to respect the opposing team and the referee. The should appreciate the performance of the opposition even if they emerge as the winners. The must in no way intimidate or frighten the opposing team, the referee, or opposing supporters. This item is applicable only if a substantial number of fans of the team concerned are present.
Overall assessement:
Add all points of the individual components, dividing this total by the maximum number of points, and multiplying the result by 10. The maximum number of points per game generally equals 40. If, however, the team is being supported by a negligible amount of fans, the maximum is 35. The general assessement should be calculated to three decimal points and not rounded up. |
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Christian Senior
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Posted: 23.11.2007 14:45 Post subject: |
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There is no actual nation ranking, isn´t it?!
The last years either Sweden or Norway were the most fair-playing nations. Would be a surprise, if none of them would win the ranking.
I am quite sure that Norway will at least have the min. 8 pts. and be in the drawing!
But it is confirmed, that RBK will play UI-Cup and if they will be drawn, Tromsø is allowed to play? _________________ Hilsen fra Tyskland |
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 23.11.2007 15:21 Post subject: |
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No, it is not confirmed, just a suggestion from the NFF. I will check on this - possibly already today. |
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 08.04.2008 23:44 Post subject: |
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The Intertoto cup draw takes place 21 April. The 50 nations will be placed in different regions. The expected Nordic group:
1st round:
Seeded:
Sweden (Elfsborg)
Ireland (Bohemians)
Latvia (FK Riga)
Finland (TPS Turku)
Iceland (Fylkir)
Unseeded:
Lithuania (Ekranas)
Estonia (TVMK Tallinn)
Northern Ireland
Wales
Faroe Islands (HB Torshavn)
2nd round:
Seeded:
Scotland
Norway (Rosenborg)
Denmark
Sweden (Elfsborg)
3rd round:
Seeded:
England
Netherlands
Scotland
Rosenborg's opponent in the 3rd and final round will in other words be the participant from one of the three latter nations.
Norway is still able to get one of three fair play spots in the UEFA Cup. As the most fair team last season, Rosenborg will be given the possible prize. |
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Gerrit Rutinert
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Posted: 09.04.2008 16:18 Post subject: |
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In case of Intertoto... Let's hope for Scotland then in the third round. Celtic and Rangers get the CL spots, so we would then play Aberdeen or Hibs in the Intertoto, that should be a win for Rosenborg.
For the second round all teams are realistic to be beaten, but for the sake of a unique trip I would prefer Fylkir or Torshavn. Easy opponents and unique travel. _________________ Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!
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robbie Veteran

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Posted: 09.04.2008 16:26 Post subject: |
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I think we should be able to beat everyone in July. |
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 09.04.2008 18:20 Post subject: |
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I think Norway have a good chance winning the UEFA fair play competition. The standings 31 December were:
1 England 8.117 (113 matches)
2 Norway 8.113 (67)
3 Germany 8.079 (100)
4 Sweden 8.076 (77)
5 France 8.075 (94)
6 Denmark 8.064 (73)
7 Spain 8.042 (111)
8 Estonia 8.025 (41)
9 Finland 8.022 (55)
Since then the Norwegian clubs and youth national teams have acted very nice, while the English have collected plenty of bookings.
Each yellow card equals to -0.25 point in the match sum. Two English bookings in each match is a pretty good estimate. I don't have time to look, but let add 30 more English matches in 2008. This means -0.25 * 30 = -7.5 points. Divded on 113 + 30 matches this is 0.052. Consequently 8.117 - 0.052 = 8.065.
This is of course not accurate, just an example. |
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2mas Sjef

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Posted: 09.04.2008 18:34 Post subject: |
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My calculations were correct: Norway go top of Fair Play league
Standings 17.03.08:
1 Norway 8.120 (73 matches)
2 England 8.089 (138)
3 Sweden 8.081 (80)
4 Denmakr 8.064 (73)
5 Germany 8.055 (122)
6 Finland 8.031 (58)
7 Spain 8.029 (128)
8 Estonia 8.004 (44) |
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Skotten Rutinert

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Posted: 09.04.2008 22:59 Post subject: |
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Hopefully draw a team here in Scotland, maybe Aberdeen!  |
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