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The Wolf
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| Sølve wrote: | | I hear that your previous attendance record at your stadium for 17 000 is about 12 000. Impressive! |
- To be exact, that 12 000 is the club record of the club with this name Tampere United.
The record of the Stadium is about 24 000, when the club took on Juventus with its former name Ilves Tampere in 1984.
The stadium was also sold out on its present capacity in 2004, when Finland played Sweden.
Everyone knows there are bigger crowds in Norway, so I think that only puts some more pressure on Rosenborg players tonight. Wouldn´t it be frustrating to lose to such semi-pros?  |
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The Wolf
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 09:24 Post subject: |
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| Ronn Moss wrote: | | We probably wont miss Ojanperä as much as ... |
- Would´t be so sure about that. The back four has been working brilliantly so far, and reorganizing is a challenge. A challenge I think Hjelm will take successfully though. |
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doris
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 10:07 Post subject: |
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"Wouldn´t it be frustrating to lose to such semi-pros?"
Yes, it would. But Levski lost both games, and they are probably on the same level as Rosenborg. Anything can happen. Rosenborg can play superduper or supersucky. So excited, can`t wait! |
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Benoni Hartvich
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 10:25 Post subject: |
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| Arto92 wrote: | Jari Litmanen, Ajax, Barcelona, Liverpool - Champions League winner, UEFA Cup winner, FA Cup winner, 3rd place in '95 Ballon d'Or(how many norwegians done that?)
Sami Hyypiä, Liverpool - Champions League winner, UEFA Cup winner, FA Cup winner, first and only foreigner to captain Liverpool(2001-2003).
There are obviously more, but until you manage to produce a player even close to Jari "the King" Litmanen, you suck! |
Ole Gunnar Solskjær
FA Premier League - Champions (6): 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
FA Premier League - Runners Up: 1997-98, 2005-06
FA Cup Winner (2): 1999, 2004
FA Cup Runners Up: 2005, 2007
League Cup Winner (1): 2006
League Cup Runners Up: 2003
UEFA Champions League Winner: 1998-99
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
UEFA Super Cup Runner Up: 1999
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Elias
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 10:43 Post subject: |
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I'm very excited about tonights match. Even though I'm not a supporter of TamU but this is a huge occassion for Finnish football. The Rosenborg staff seemed to be a little cocky at theit press conference yesterday and I think that RBK might underestimate TamU just like Levski did (similar comments from Levski coach before their match in Ratina and Levski).
If everything goes well and Wiss, Savolainen, Lindström, Petrescu, Niemi and Kaven step up I can see TamU winning tonight. Especially Juska has been brilliant this season. I sure hope he will get his chance in the national team soon (though probably just in the bench).
Off to Tampere in a couple of hours. What's the turnout for RBK supporters for this match?
PS: I've had a soft spot for RBK for very long time following their UCL success in the late 90's and 00's. Hopefully I can follow them in the UEFA Cup this season Furthermore the most outstanding own goal in the UCL was scored by an RBK player Saarinen (a Finn of course). |
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Henri
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 11:01 Post subject: |
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| Honestly, I do not think that Rosenborg underestimate Tampere. I think the whole club is aware of how crappy we can be at our worst. |
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Benoni Hartvich
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 11:34 Post subject: |
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| I agree, if Rosenborg does not qualify it's because they're not good enough, not because they underestimate Tampere. |
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Ronn Moss
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 11:46 Post subject: |
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| The Wolf wrote: | | Ronn Moss wrote: | | We probably wont miss Ojanperä as much as ... |
- Would´t be so sure about that. The back four has been working brilliantly so far, and reorganizing is a challenge. A challenge I think Hjelm will take successfully though. |
Well, I admit missing Ojanperä is a blow for Tampere, but RBK is missing their captain, so its an even bigger blow for them. Plus we can throw Aho in to replace Ojanperä,so its not THAT bad. |
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Elias
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 12:03 Post subject: |
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| I've understood that Kujala is going to replace Ojanperä today.. |
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Sølve
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 12:34 Post subject: |
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| Arto92 wrote: | | Benoni Hartvich wrote: | Contest:
Name a finnish athlete that fullfills criteria 1 and at the same time criteria 2 OR 3;
1) Top-ten result in world championship or olympic games OR played for a top-ten ranked club team in England, Germany, Spain, Italy or France
2) Have not been unmasked as neither a doper, alcholic, wife beater or criminal.
3) Has a good sense of humour and always is in good mood.
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Jari Litmanen, Ajax, Barcelona, Liverpool - Champions League winner, UEFA Cup winner, FA Cup winner, 3rd place in '95 Ballon d'Or(how many norwegians done that?) |
I don't think he fulfilles criteria 4.
| Benoni Hartvich wrote: | | 4) doesn't look like a retard |
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El-P
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:15 Post subject: |
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Some things are sacred and you've just crossed the line. Maybe one time if Norway produces a player with Litmanen's quality you can understand. With all do respect to Ole-Gunnar, he can be compared to Sami Hyypiä, but not to Litmanen. And by the way, Litmanen shines with criteria three with his cynical but brilliant sense of humour.
EDIT: You can enjoy yourself with this video:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...7MKygXO7XE
In the beginning there's national team matches. Two goals against Norway by the way. Second one after a great pass from Koppinen, if you can regocnize him. There's more in youtube. |
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Skammels10
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:29 Post subject: |
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CL final 99'
This goal from Ole was far more important than any goals produced by Litmanen. Ole is a living legend in perhaps the best football club in the world. Where is Jari considered a legend? Except from Finland of course? Perhaps in "small" Ajax?
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Benoni Hartvich
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:31 Post subject: |
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| El-P wrote: | | Some things are sacred and you've just crossed the line. Maybe one time if Norway produces a player with Litmanen's quality you can understand. |
Did you know that Litjmannen means "dick" in the dialect in Trondheim? |
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El-P
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:32 Post subject: |
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| Elias wrote: | | Ronn Moss wrote: |
Well, I admit missing Ojanperä is a blow for Tampere, but RBK is missing their captain, so its an even bigger blow for them. Plus we can throw Aho in to replace Ojanperä,so its not THAT bad. |
I've understood that Kujala is going to replace Ojanperä today.. |
Who's gonna replace Kujala then? Wiss? |
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El-P
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:35 Post subject: |
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| Nano wrote: | CL final 99'
This goal from Ole was far more important than any goals produced by Litmanen. Ole is a living legend in perhaps the best football club in the world. Where is Jari considered a legend? Except from Finland of course? Perhaps in "small" Ajax?
20legend. |
We all remember the goal from Ole. However he was never the same class with Litmanen. "Small" Ajax was at the time the best in the World. And Litmanen the best in Ajax. There's quite a few boys named Jari in Amsterdam, especially in mid 90s. Litmanen was world's 3rd best in -95. Ole-Gunnar has never been even close. |
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puckno
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:36 Post subject: |
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| TamU sounds a bit like ManU.... HAHAHA dream on motherfuckers... |
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El-P
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:37 Post subject: |
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| Benoni Hartvich wrote: | | El-P wrote: | | Some things are sacred and you've just crossed the line. Maybe one time if Norway produces a player with Litmanen's quality you can understand. |
Did you know that Litjmannen means "dick" in the dialect in Trondheim? |
No I didn't. |
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Benoni Hartvich
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:38 Post subject: |
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| El-P wrote: |
Some things are sacred and you've just crossed the line. Maybe one time if Norway produces a player with Litmanen's quality you can understand. With all do respect to Ole-Gunnar, he can be compared to Sami Hyypiä, but not to Litmanen. And by the way, Litmanen shines with criteria three with his cynical but brilliant sense of humour |
Exactly how does not Solskjær compare?
Litmanen
Finnish Cup: 1992
Dutch championship: 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998
Dutch Cup: 1993, 1998, 1999
Dutch Super Cup: 1993, 1994, 1995
English Super Cup: 2001
UEFA Champions League: 1995
UEFA Cup: 2001
European Super Cup: 1995, 2001
Intercontinental Cup: 1995
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FA Premier League - Champions (6): 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
FA Premier League - Runners Up: 1997-98, 2005-06
FA Cup Winner (2): 1999, 2004
FA Cup Runners Up: 2005, 2007
League Cup Winner (1): 2006
League Cup Runners Up: 2003
UEFA Champions League Winner: 1998-99
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
UEFA Super Cup Runner Up: 1999
Community Shield Winner (3): 1996, 1997, 2003
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El-P
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 13:43 Post subject: |
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| Benoni Hartvich wrote: | | El-P wrote: |
Some things are sacred and you've just crossed the line. Maybe one time if Norway produces a player with Litmanen's quality you can understand. With all do respect to Ole-Gunnar, he can be compared to Sami Hyypiä, but not to Litmanen. And by the way, Litmanen shines with criteria three with his cynical but brilliant sense of humour |
Exactly how does not Solskjær compare? |
By skill and talent. Playing 20 years in Man United is ok, but he has never been as good as Litmanen as a player. |
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Benoni Hartvich
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 14:01 Post subject: |
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| El-P wrote: | | By skill and talent. Playing 20 years in Man United is ok, but he has never been as good as Litmanen as a player. |
OK, I won't argue that Litmanen is a great player, but I guess you're down to a subjective evaluation of players that have different skills. How would you compare Maradona and Beckenbauer? It is impossible to say that one is better than the other. However, you can compare what they have acchieved, and in that sense I think Solskjærs record is better than Litmanen.
You seem like the most reasonable Finn we've had in here, so I'll give you this; if I was a manager, I would have prefered to have Litmanen of the two in my squad.  |
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Janne-Kari Ruusuvuori
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 14:46 Post subject: |
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| Sølve wrote: | | Arto92 wrote: | | Benoni Hartvich wrote: | Contest:
Name a finnish athlete that fullfills criteria 1 and at the same time criteria 2 OR 3;
1) Top-ten result in world championship or olympic games OR played for a top-ten ranked club team in England, Germany, Spain, Italy or France
2) Have not been unmasked as neither a doper, alcholic, wife beater or criminal.
3) Has a good sense of humour and always is in good mood.
I can't think of anyone |
Jari Litmanen, Ajax, Barcelona, Liverpool - Champions League winner, UEFA Cup winner, FA Cup winner, 3rd place in '95 Ballon d'Or(how many norwegians done that?) |
I don't think he fulfilles criteria 4.
| Benoni Hartvich wrote: | | 4) doesn't look like a retard |
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And Ole-Gunnar does? 
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Bakklandia
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 15:14 Post subject: |
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Norway have several of the same of better quality then Litmanen, not just Sunny. Riise haven't won much, but is still counted as one of the key players for Liverpool, and when not suspendend ('coz he's never injured) he almost always is in the starting 11.
Carew has a huge potensial, probaly the biggest potensial any norwegian footballer have ever had. It was a reason that Valencia payed as much as they did, and that we did pay so much for him. He has just choosen to play for smaller teams, beacouse he's to lazy to train enough to be in a big team and have therefore not mangaged to get out his full potensial eigther. Had he done that, he would have been one of the worlds top ten strikers, I'm sure.
And Vegard Heggem was guessed to become the worlds best rightback, but injuries ruined his carrier. Same thing with Ronny Johnsen.
Henning Berg is still the only nordic player to win Premier League with two different clubs and is highly respected in both Manchester, Blackburn and Glasgow.
And then there's Steffen..
And that's just the ones that have played in our time. I could go longer back in time and find someone that really will make you stuned.
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Torbjørn
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 15:16 Post subject: |
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Jari Litmanen was an excellent footballer, though. The way he played you could see he had a higher understanding of the game. Sort of like Zidane, just not quite.
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El-P
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 15:35 Post subject: |
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| VerneTroyer wrote: | | Norway have several of the same of better quality then Litmanen, |
You got it all wrong from the beginning. The ones you mentioned are all good players or ones with potential, but nowhere nere Litmanen's class. In the same way I can talk about Hyypiä or Tainio in Tottenham. Or one of the best goalkeepers in English Premiership Jääskeläinen and Niemi. Or mention Forssell, with 17 goals in Premiership (tops Ole Gunnar Solkjär there by the way) and was one the most talented forwards but injuries ruined his career, even though he made a nice comeback by scoring againts Chelsea last weekend.
But anyway, this is not the point. I think many of you understand the class of Litmanen. He could be like Zidane, but was just born in a wrong country for national team success. Actually in 90s the Dutch said it themselves, only thing they missed from the national team was Litmanen.
Well, RBK ja TamU have different players. (well Iversen plays for RBK) Roy Hodgson named the squad for the coming qualifier. Kaven, Wiss and Niemi were picked and Petrescu was named for U21. |
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Bakklandia
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| Posted: 15.08.2007 15:47 Post subject: |
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Okay, then what about Per Bredesen, Rune Bratseth, Arne Brustad, Tom Lund and Hallvar Thoresen? Check out what thise guys have done, then we'll talk.
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