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Maury
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PostPosted: 29.12.2006 17:43    Post subject: Lower divisions Reply with quote

Hi everybody,is there someone who plays in lower divisions?Bye
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PostPosted: 29.12.2006 17:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't, but I know there are many active players on this forum. Even a couple playing for Rosenborg 2/3.
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PostPosted: 29.12.2006 18:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

and who are ?I would need because I need to organize a match.
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PostPosted: 29.12.2006 18:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you probably know, lower divisions in Norway are just amateur leagues.
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PostPosted: 29.12.2006 18:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

We too,then it depends by the contract.
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PostPosted: 30.12.2006 11:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do reserve teams of all the premier division clubs play in regular competition? Or is it only the reserves of bigger clubs like RBK who have a team in 3rd or 4th division?
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PostPosted: 30.12.2006 12:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rosenborg 2 play in the second division. Most teams in the Premier Division have their reserve team in either second or third div. But there are probably teams with reserves in even lower divisions (doubt that).

edit: I didnt answear your question, all the big teams (premier, 1. div) have a reserve team registred in the ligue system Smile
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PostPosted: 30.12.2006 15:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even some teams in Division 2, have reserve teams playing in 3rd division (and lower)

The team Orkla FK is in division 3, but it has "reserve teams" in both 4th and 5th division! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 02.01.2007 11:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it the same way like in Spain where the reserves would be blocked from promotion if they'd promote to the same division as the "A" selection of the club?
Would be nice to see RBK win the Tippeligaen and RBK 2 grab a UEFA spot Razz

In general though, I doubt the use of the reserves playing in the regular league. In countries like France where the reserves play in 3rd division or 4th division, the number of fans at their games is really low: most fans only go to see the 'A' team in the top division, while the opponents of the reserves don't bring a lot of fans. Often the reserves of teams like RC Lens, Monaco, etc play for a couple of hundred fans.
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PostPosted: 02.01.2007 11:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Italy instead there is the championship for the reserve teams,there play teams from Serie A to Serie C2 (3rd division).
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PostPosted: 02.01.2007 12:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be very funny to win the reserveleague...
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PostPosted: 02.01.2007 14:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's also how it's done in my native Belgium and here in N.Ireland. The bizarre thing is though that all reserve teams in NI use different names than the first team (Linfield becomes Linfield Swifts, Cliftonville becomes Cliftonville Olympic, and so on).

In Belgium some of the top division's reserve teams attract crowds of less than 30... That reserve league is really bad, lot of teams let their reserves play on very bad pitches, and the crowds are extremely low. Exception is Anderlecht, whose reserves sometimes play in the national stadium and attract crowds of 500 (in a stadium of 52000 seats Neutral )

Barcelona's reserves play in a stadium of 20000 seats, which is actually bigger than any stadium in Northern Ireland (including the national stadium) Neutral
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PostPosted: 03.01.2007 13:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

RBK2 also played one match at Lerkendal Stadium last year for a crowd of maybe 200.

They usually play their home matches at the newest of the two training pitches (at the right):

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PostPosted: 08.01.2007 17:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the averages attendances of Norwegian reserve teams? In my native Belgium a crowd of 30 is a success for a reserves league game, with the exception of Anderlecht. Here in Northern Ireland the reserve leagues would attract the girlfriends and fathers of the players, apart from them no one would visit the games Neutral In terms of spectators one could support reserves teams in the lower leagues.

Does the Norwegian system allow a player from Rosenborg II to be transfered to Rosenborg I at any time? In Spain this would be impossible, as the club needs to hand in lists with the players for the reserve teams and players for the A team, and only during regular transfer periods they're allowed to switch players from their B team to A team.
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PostPosted: 08.01.2007 19:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gerrit wrote:
What are the averages attendances of Norwegian reserve teams?

It depends on the weather.. Razz Often these matches are played on Mondays, so it is not that many people watching them. (from 20 up to a couple of hundred people might cover the most matches?)
Away it can be more, because some home teams think it is fun when "Rosenborg" are visiting them..

Gerrit wrote:
Does the Norwegian system allow a player from Rosenborg II to be transfered to Rosenborg I at any time?

I think so. But a player who started the last match for the A team, can not play for the B team in the same round/week. But all the subs on the A team, are allowed to play for the B team in the same week. (but that is the opposite way, from what you are asking)
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PostPosted: 15.01.2007 15:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... Guess this system can cause some debates? Imagine RBK B plays a few players normally in the A team this week, while the next week none of them is being used. The team facing a Rosenborg B including some "A" players, can claim they were facing tougher opposition than the team facing the team without A players.

In Belgium it has been proposed again to enrol the B teams of the top divisionists in the third division. However, the union of 3rd division teams, has rejected the proposal once again.
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PostPosted: 15.01.2007 15:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, coaches complain about that every year. We often use some first team players against our local opponents, but not against teams further away from home. That can be bad for the development of local talents too, cause it's harder for the local teams to stay in the second division when they face tougher competition.
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PostPosted: 16.01.2007 16:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

In germany its possible to change any player from A team to B team. I think it will be good if u can change it, so u can bring any new player for example the last 20 minutes and they get any experience.
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PostPosted: 16.01.2007 19:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

The possibility is of course good for the reserve teams, but not for the other teams that meet a team of very variable quality.
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PostPosted: 16.01.2007 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not ? A new young talented player should have the possibility to play against a good team, so he learn a lot of and i think it is an enrichment for the team. i understand u if your team needs 3 points for rang 1 and they have an important game so u need a team with a lot of experience but against other teams u can try it. The team dont lose quality if they change one player Smile for example the team "Eintracht Frankfurt", they have a very young team, a lot of new player without experience but they fight and the team make a good job. Its possible
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PostPosted: 16.01.2007 20:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not the first team players themselves that is the problem for the other teams. It is the constant changing of the team that is the problem.

E.g. can RBK2 in one match play with 7-8 players from the first team squad, and noone in the next. Our opponents therefore think the reserve teams make unfair competitions; especially in the top and the bottom of the table. Two clubs fighting for promotion/against relegation might meet two completely different RBK2 line-ups, which usually gives the lucky one three "free" points.
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