European Cups 2008/09

[2mas]

Our last encounter: Champions League qual. 2002/03

[Gerrit]

I would have rather had the Croats but then Brondby is not that bad. Cheap away travel, nordic derby probably bringing in good crowds at Lerkendal, and an opponent which we should be able to beat. I actually fear the hostile atmosphere in Copenhagen most, but maybe that is due to not knowing the strength of Brondby well.

I am happy to have avoided Twente. Guess Brondby is not easy but we should be favourites for sure.
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[Skotten]

Good result tonight.

[Gerrit]

Fantastic result! If we manage to be beaten at Lerkendal I am going insane... Brondby have to score 2x now in Norway, I think we got 90% chance to qualify now. Before the game I would have been very happy with a draw so that we could finish it at lerkendal, but wow, 1-2... A victory and 2 goals away from home, this result is great. If we qualify for the group stages and manage to finish at least 3rd in the league, then I think we can conclude that since Hamren took control we can be very pleased with the progress and probably be a championship contender again next season. With 3 out of 5 teams per group progressing (and we will probably be seeded) I think that if we beat Brondby, we can safely dream of still being in Europe after the winter break.
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[mrstpatsfc]

haven`t managed to post on here in some time sadly.

a great week of european football kicks off tonight,st pats host hertha berlin,trailing 2-0 from the first leg but i have evry reason to believe we will do it.

then combine that with rosenborg to beat brondby and it will be good times!

[2mas]

If we make it, the group stage draw is next Tuesday. We will most likely be seeded on level 3, and probably meet team 1 and 5 at home.

AC Milan 119,934
Sevilla 102,837
Valencia 83,837
Benfica 77,176
Schalke 67,078
CSKA Moskva 59,437
Tottenham 55,996
Stuttgart 52,078

Ajax 51,610
Olympiakos 51,525
Club Brugge 41,810
Besiktas 40,469
Spartak Moskva 40,437
Paris St. Germain 37,380
Sparta Praha 36,496
Heerenveen 35,610

Rosenborg 35,400
Udinese 34,934
Braga 33,176
Levski 32,644
Manchester City 30,996
Galatasaray 30,469
Sampdoria 28,934
Hertha Berlin 27,078

Partizan Beograd 25,527
Nancy 25,380
Aston Villa 24,996
Portsmouth 24,996
Racing Santander 24,837
FC København 23,748
St. Etienne 17,380
Wolfsburg 16,078

Standard 14,810
Twente 14,610
Unirea Urziceni 13,398
Vaslui 13,398
NEC Nijmegen 12,610
Brann 12,400
Lech Poznan 6,973
Kalmar 4,518

Clubs which might replace some of the above:

Hamburg 52,078
Rapid Bucuresti 41,398
Dinamo Bucuresti 36,398
Deportivo La Coruña 46,837
Everton 43,996

[mrstpatsfc]

3-2 win tonight,seemed to be a good game with both sides holding the lead at one stage.
never doubted that we would go through.nice to also win the 2nd leg with sapi`s late penoe.anyonme at the game?

[Skotten]

Yeah, but more nerve-wracking than first anticipated. Can any Tronder's inform us of the Brondby hooligans incident?

Might make it to another RBK European night this year, let's hope though it doesn't end up like my last trip to the Lerkendal. (0-4 vs Chelsea last year!)

[mrstpatsfc]

have yet to hear any report of incident with brondby hooligans,what did you hear skotten?

on a side note i heard there was alot of trouble in madrid last night as atletico hosted marseille.the french fans got sum rough treatment from the spanish police

[Zbegra]

Rosenborg - Brøndby

http://webtv.tv2.no/webtv...gId=265911 - Interview with Konan

http://webtv.tv2.no/webtv...gId=265910 - Marek Sapara

http://webtv.tv2.no/webtv...gId=265918 - summary of the match
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[arnt]

[mrstpatsfc]

ah right,no reports of them been sore losers after the game?!

[Gerrit]

Nothing happened at the game, according to what I heard. Maybe somewhere in town far enough from the stadium? But definitely not in the stadium.

Urinating? They did not pee on any monument? In Barcelona people still talk scandals of Rangers fans last visit ... If any woman was involved however... (*applying self censorship*)
It surprises me a bit as usually the Danes have a reputation of being very disciplined and charming football fans. Usually not troublemakers, but probably they were just drunk?



This UEFA Cup is going to be tough but very interesting. Look at the first jar. Sevilla, Schalke, AC Milan, Valencia, CSKA Moscow, Benfica, ... That is not worse than most Champions League opposition.

The second jar looks equally scary. Maybe Heerenveen is the least difficult one + we would have a rendez vous with Trond Sollied. But I dont fancy a game versus the likes of Deportivo or Olympiakos...

With a bit of bad luck we could end up with 1 English, 1 Spanish, 1 Italian and 1 German opponent AC Milan, Deportivo, Aston Villa, Wolfsburg would be perfectly possible (as far as I know Wolfsburg is in the last jar and not in the 3rd ?). But with a bit of luck we should get past the group stage as well, ideally this would be our group:

CSKA Moscow (not easy at all, but still better than AC Milan or Sevilla for example)
Heerenveen
Dinamo Zagreb
Zilina (that is the name of the Slowak team, right?)

The jars are deceiving though. For example Club Brugge is in the 2nd jar and Standard in the bottom jar. Everyone watching the Belgian league knows Standard is by far better than Brugge (and Anderlecht) right now and are a team to be avoided. To see Heerenveen in the 2nd jar while teams like Aston Villa are in the 3rd jar is odd and not representative of their actual value on the pitch.
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[2mas]

Noone watching the draw?

The fixtures now is announced:

23/10 Rosenborg - Club Brugge
06/11 St. Etienne - Rosenborg
27/11 Rosenborg - Valencia
04/12 FC København - Rosenborg

Read more: Tight group for Rosenborg

[Skotten]

Missed it earlier. The Norwegian press predictably are getting pretty excited about this, particularly with the match against Solbakken. The Valencia game at home is surely the pick though!

In terms of getting through, maybe, especially as it's three that make it. Poor Brann though, out one penalties and last night beaten 2-3 against 10 men!

[Gerrit]

I could not watch the draw due to having to work (just started a new job and thus training all the time... no internet access ) but when I heard RBK had drawn a Belgian team my first reaction was a big "goddamn" ... Before I left the country I lived like 15 minutes from Bruges...

Anyways, the draw could have been better but it could have been worse as well. I fear Valencia is out of category, we beat them twice last season but it is not very likely we will just outplay them like that again. I could be wrong here but I also rate Copenhagen a bit below the other teams and think they wont really stand a big chance. So assuming Valencia is a certain qualification and our Danish friends go out, this means it is between us, Club Brugge and St Etienne for the two remaining spots. It will be tight, but it should be possible.

Now I still follow the Belgian league of course, and I can say I much rather face Brugge than Standard right now. Standard should not have been in that lowest jar, they can deal with even the better European teams right now and have by far the most talented team in the belgian league since the Anderlecht of the very first season of the new millennium. This Standard is a tsunami, while Brugge is more like a tidal wave: they have the talent to easily qualify but they are not always consistent. However, they are a tough opponent. They lost one of their best strikers when Francois Sterchele died in a car crash but with Akpala they have last seasons best scorer in the league (they bought him from Charleroi and he has adapted very well in Brugge, scoring several goals already) and Wesley Sonck (previously in the shirt of Genk and Ajax + has played over 30x for Belgium) is in great shape and a very dangerous opponent player as well. Club Brugge has a healthy mix of experienced players and young talents, and they have a very dangerous frontline in Akpala and Sonck. However, we are lucky to have them at home, and if we play in our better shape we should definitely get points against them. Dito for Copenhagen, while I do fear St Etienne will be very tough due to having them away (I rather had valencia away as I believe we would not win this game anyway, thus I rather had one of the easier ones at home instead)

Other than that, one big disadvantage is to be "bye" on the last day. We will have to force our qualification in the first 4 weeks or we depend on the results of the others in the last game day. Copenhagen will be out already maybe which gives Brugge an easy ride at home, and if Valencia would already be qualified it will be an advantage for St Etienne on that last day. Us being "bye" is definitely a disadvantage, and I would have also rather had Valencia away and St Etienne or Copenhagen at home.

Overall, this draw is halfway what I hoped for and what I feared. I would have rather avoided St Etienne from that jar, and Valencia is a lot more difficult than for example Benfica or CSKA Moscow. But it could have been worse if we had for example Deportivo or one of the Italians instead of Brugge and Copenhagen. So semi satisfied with this draw, it will be a very tight race.

EDIT: we are bye on the last day, arent we?? Or am I mixing up the fixtures here?
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[RBKalle]

As I've already said (twice ) in the other topic (the one in norwegian), I don't see how this group is rated so difficult.

Valencia is among the least strong team of the Pot 1, so it's not a 100% loss.

Brugge are BY FAR the weakest team of the Pot 2, so we got REALLY lucky there.

FCK is yet another danish team, definitely a style of play we're used to, and much much better than, say, Aston Villa or of Zagreb or Belgrade. Also in terms of stadium atmosphere.

Saint-Etienne wasn't the best one to pick, in a pot with Zilina, Lech and Metalist, but a mediocre French side isn't that huge of a mountain to climb.

So, all the "sky is falling" attitude baffles me, and makes me question the faith of many fans. Or, better, makes me wonder if, deep down, we feel/know we aren't that great once the opponents aren't called Astana or Ekranas

[Spärtacus]

[Gerrit]

Loki, I fear you are a bit too optimistic there. St Etienne away is very hard, they have one of the most passionate fanbases in France, even in the second league they had 30000 to 40000 fans average at home. To play in such atmosphere is never easy, and even when they are mid table we are still talking about the French league which is (in my opinion) not that far below the Spanish or Italian league.

When it comes to Brugge: they have underperformed the last few seasons but are back on their way up. With Akpala and Sonck they have two strikers who very easily score goals and who are currently in a very good shape. So this will definitely not be an easy victory neither. I rate Copenhagen the lowest in this group, but other than that none of the opponents is below our level. So even Brugge and St Etienne will be quite difficult, we will have to play at our best level. Valencia, not sure what to think, I would say it is not the hardest one from the first jar but still they are by far favourites to win the group and not really a team I would have wanted to face (I was hoping for Benfica or CSKA Moscow)
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[2mas]

Valencia coach Unai Emery has underlined the team’s desire for success in the UEFA Cup, starting with the group phase which was drawn yesterday.

(...)

“Our key rivals could be Rosenborg and Saint-Etienne. The freezing temperatures in certain venues will also be our biggest challenge.

“We must have full respect for all our opponents if we want to beat them in order to finish top of the group,� concluded Emery.

Read more: Emery Targets UEFA Cup Success

[RBKalle]

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but overrating the opponents while underrating our team is pointless...

It's UEFA Cup's Group Stage... facing tougher opposition was bound to happen, and was the main goal of the Intertoto campaign the team began in july.

See, the "but they're a French side" attitude has to end, the sooner the better.
It's a clear sign of provincialism and hint of some sort of football inferiority complex very present in Norwegian football (from what I've learnt in many years as supporter/observer).

While it's a fact, and it couldn't be otherwise, that Norwegian football IS at a lower level than English, Italian, Spanish, German and French football as a whole, without the right attitude it'll always be so.

But if compared to what it used to be 20 years ago, when Norwegian teams were getting obliterated in first rounds, the situation has largely improved.

So, why this "we're so done!" attitude? And why must ever upset win be considered an upset win, or "mirakel i ___"???

RBK has been a solid outsider/dark horse in European Cups for like 10 years now, how comes we haven't learnt yet to give ourselves a bit more credit?

And moreso, how comes those in charge haven't yet managed to take the next step?

Attaining the average level of, say, PSV, could be possible...

But not with the typical Askeladden/underdog mentality.

[frenchy]

I follow the French League 1 and 2 each week, and St Etienne, they have Gomes that plays on the French Team, they play good in defense, i have seen them a few times already this season, will not be easy, but possible, they are better than Rennes that Stabæk played against....Lyon is the team in France that could easy play in any of the big leagues, but the teams behind are good teams, on a normal day they will beat RBK at home, but it all depends who have the day.
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[Gerrit]

[glasgowrangersfan]

i live in scotland so they wont be on my tv

i was hoping RBK Would draw an english team so it would be on tv


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