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Fireman451
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Thanks Bakkland for the clarification.
I understand your point about ManU, Real Madrid, AC Milan "plastic fans" showing up to support them when they play your local side. It's happens here too - like when we played Everton, AC Milan, Celtic, Club America (Mexico), Wisla Krakow, etc.
I agree with you regarding supporting your local team, which I always do since I don't support any Super Clubs. And if for some crazy reason RBK ended up playing Chicago Fire, I would support the Men in Red but would gladly sit and cheer next to any RBK supporter as we demolished them.
Now that I have this RBK jersey I have exactly two jerseys that I own, one Chicago Fire and one Rosenborg. Just a note for you, I rarely if ever wear my Fire jersey to games, I save it for big games, playoffs and Championships.
I normally wear a Hawaiian shirt and sport a Fire cap and scarf. It makes me easy to spot out in a crowd . . . see?
I'm in two of the photos . . . right there in the Hawaiian shirt!
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| Posted: 27.08.2009 21:17 Post subject: |
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| Strand wrote: | I don't think that our american friend have the same point of view as us europeans on this matter. In the US it is common for fans from both teams to sit mixed at the stadium, they don't segregate the fans (as far as I know, this is usual in most sports in the US). MLS is also a young league, and most teams does not have the same kind of history or rivalry as you see in Europe. I guess it's not problematic at all to to wear shirts from other clubs, sports and so on over there. If I however went to see Rangers - Celtic, and sat with the home crowd wearing the wrong shirt... they would probably give me a bad kind of kiss*.
*Google Glasgow Kiss. |
Yes, but would you get "kissed" for wearing a Fire or RBK shirt at Ibrox? No.
Here's something to think about Strand . . . there are no "mixed" crowds in our stadiums with regards to RBK. Nothing, nada, gar nicht.
I assure you I will be THE ONLY person wearing anything remotely related to anything Norwegian in the stadium - maybe ever.
And in regards to supporting different clubs that ARE ACTUALLY playing in the game, yes it would be stupid to sit where you don't belong in any American sports venue. We even have traveling supporters sections in our little, young league with no history of rivalry and really nothing to play for since we're clearly not Europeans. 
Stick with what you know Strand . . . clearly MLS or American sports in general aren't something you have a clear command of my friend.
If you ever come over here, I'll invite you to wear a Packers jersey at a Bears game (NFL), or a DC United jersey in the Chicago supporters section (MLS), a White Sox shirt at Wrigley Field (MLB) or dress in Univ. Of Texas gear at Kyle Field in the middle of all those Aggies (NCAA). Don't worry, you'll be just fine.
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| Posted: 27.08.2009 21:44 Post subject: |
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I'm not having a go at you, you may wear whatever you want at any match if you want to, but generally speaking I don't approve of the usage myself.
Maybe MLS is a bit different from the other sports, but my impression (and other people I have talked to about american sports) is that the most people "mostly" sit in their seats and watch the game. Please enlighten me if I am wrong, but do you have an equivalent of PAOKs gate 13 in baseball? Or maybe something that resemble the rivalry of Madrid and Barcelona? |
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Fireman451
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| Posted: 27.08.2009 22:45 Post subject: |
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Strand,
I don't think you're having a go at me . . . I do think however that you're not making any logical relationships in your posts or questions toward me and my excitement about getting a RBK jersey.
I already stated that if you're seriously concerned enough to opine on what is and is not acceptable game day fashion than you have a lot of free time on your hands. I think that's indisputable.
I only mentioned here that I'm going to wear a RBK shirt to a Fire match and somehow you're making the jump to a hypothetical scenario of you wearing the wrong color (either green or blue) at Ibrox or Celtic Park and getting beat up for the pleasure.
So, are you saying that if I wore a Fire jersey in Lerkandal that the passionate supporters and regular fans in the stands wouldn't stand for it and therefore beat me up? If not, then I'll make the illogical assumption that your fans aren't nearly as passionate and excited about their club or their sport as POAK fans, Celtic fans, Wisla Krakow fans or for that matter drunk LSU fans, obnoxious Chicago Bear Fans, rowdy NY Yankees fans in the outfield or Detroit Red Wing fans in general.
Does the amount of damage done in the stands or fights between people wearing the wrong colors define passion, or does it more clearly define how idiotic people can be? I think it's idiotic, but maybe you find that kind of assery romantic in some weird way, I don't know.
What I do know is you're not those type of fans in Trondheim, Lerkandal is not that kind of stadium and Tippeligaen is not that kind of league - nor is MLS and our fans. That is something to be proud of.
Now go change your shirt when replying to this message board . . . white shirts are for pansies.
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| Posted: 28.08.2009 13:52 Post subject: |
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I'm not saying that violence has nothing to do with passion, but I'm trying to explain how me might feel in Europe when people wear jerseys from other teams. Especially when people wear jerseys from English clubs on norwegian matches. Also, you might be more relaxed about it in the US.
I once met a guy with a shirt with a big Orlando Pirates logo on, I said "oh, not often you see a guy who supports Orlando Pirates around here". He did not even know that Orlando Pirates was a football club... |
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Bakklandia
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| Posted: 28.08.2009 14:31 Post subject: |
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Yeah, and all those up here that goes around with that New York Yankees-cap, thinking it's just a "Normal" logo, and not knowing that it's actually is what it is (I have gone in that trap myself - I still have two of them that I use on a regular basis, but now I at least know what logo it is)
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Fireman451
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| Posted: 28.08.2009 16:19 Post subject: |
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| Strand wrote: | | I'm not saying that violence has nothing to do with passion, but I'm trying to explain how me might feel in Europe when people wear jerseys from other teams. Especially when people wear jerseys from English clubs on norwegian matches. Also, you might be more relaxed about it in the US. |
If fans are wearing ManU jerseys to a RBK-Molde match, then I'm sure it's not a big deal and all that those people accomplish is to annoy the home fans that support Norge football.
Now if ManU was playing RBK in Trondheim and some of the locals were wearing ManU shirts, then I'd agree you may have a more serious issue with those fake fans.
But in general you're right, we 're more relaxed here in the states even if folks were to wear ManU shirts to a ManU-Fire game because in reality it doesn't mean a whole lot, it's a friendly . . . by the way, we call those people Europoseurs (i.e. fake, plastic fans who wear super club jerseys but don't actually follow soccer or support American soccer).
Maybe this will help some understand the general American mentality: America just doesn't get as caught up in the world's game or the World Cup because we already have wildly more popular domestic sports that define our culture. Additionally, most people over here find it funny that all soccer playing nations get so involved, overly frustrated and stressed about playing a series of games every four years to determine world domination when America is busy with the real thing.
I don't subscribe to that philosophy, but I do think it's a real sentiment here.
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Fireman451
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| Strand wrote: | | I once met a guy with a shirt with a big Orlando Pirates logo on, I said "oh, not often you see a guy who supports Orlando Pirates around here". He did not even know that Orlando Pirates was a football club... |
Again, you're making another point that clearly doesn't apply to me.
I know RBK, I follow RBK and would be able to discuss RBK, Tippeligaen and European football in general if someone of your vast knowledge base came up to me and asked about my RBK jersey.
The fact that you don't approve of what I will do this weekend is still your problem and tells me you need to find better uses of your time.
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| Posted: 28.08.2009 16:28 Post subject: |
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| Bakklandia wrote: | | Yeah, and all those up here that goes around with that New York Yankees-cap, thinking it's just a "Normal" logo, and not knowing that it's actually is what it is (I have gone in that trap myself - I still have two of them that I use on a regular basis, but now I at least know what logo it is) |
Maybe I can interest you to start supporting the Chicago White Sox! I think you'll like our colors.
 
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